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that john boehner is having a hard time to get them to agree to his packages like plan b out here. we don't know how much out here in the public things have changed since last week, but it seemed like president obama was saying something that he was planning to say if it came down to the last few days. >> joy, is this the same kind of negotiation we saw in the first term? >> well, richard, one of the things that you didn't see the president do is to offer a new plan and he is laying the debacle at the feet squarely on congress and for the all to see where the dysfunction lies and the president helped himself by making offers that even his base was uncomfortable with, because it is fair to everyone that he is reasonable and trying to make the offers and that the intransigence is on the other side and he is expressing proper proper properlyly the frustration of the american people. >> and now it moves to mitch mcconnell from harry reid. and we have sound from mitch mcconnell on the house floor and harry reid. >> we had a good discussion with the majority leader with the hopes to come forwar
far right and worried about somebody farther right running against them in primaries that john boehner is having a hard time getting them to agree to his packages like plan b last week. we don't know out here on the public how much has changed since last week, but president obama was saying something he was planning to say. >> joy, is this the same thing? >> one thing you notice the president didn't doll is off any new plan. he's laying this debacle squarely at the feet of the congress. the president helped himself by previously making some offer that even his base was uncomfortable with because it's now clear to everyone watching he's been responsive. i think he's expressing the frustration of the american people. >> clarence, the game seems to be moving to rich mcconnell and harry reid. i think we have some sound bites from mitch mcconnell and harry reid on the senate floor. let ee cease if we can one that now. >> we had a good meeting down at the white house. we're engaged in discussions, the majority leader, the white house, and myself in the hopes that we can come forward as early
it on house speaker john boehner. >> the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> boehner's office's response? we've done our part. it's the senate democrats fall. but will the speaker call his members back before time runs out? >> at the last moment is the way these things normally happen. i think that can happen again. it just depends on putting egos aside a little bit and putting the best interests of the american people first. >> plus, keeping our kids safe, is arming educators the symptom or adding to the problem. >>> and can anyone beat sko brown? >>> good day. we're live in washington this afternoon. the lines of communication between the president, leaders of congress are open. whether those lines are used repeatedly over the next few days to reach a fiscal cliff deal is anybody's guess. joining me now for our daily fix, nbc's kelly
, republican house speaker john boehner put out this stirring call to action. >> mr. president, this is your moment. we're ready to be led. not as democrats or republicans but as americans. we want you to lead. not as a liberal or conservative but as president of the united states of america. >> mr. president, we are ready to be led. just show us the plan. that was encouraging. that seemed like we were going to have a deal, no problem. obama won the election. he'll hand them a plan. he'll make some small changes. that's how congress works, of course. pass it and we'll be done. we'll go home for christmas. not so much. president obama did hand them a plan as treasury secretary tim geithner made a special trip all the way to john boehner's office on capitol hill. he delivered the plan to speaker boehner, a plan pretty much identical to the one president obama just won the election on. you might have thought that would have been leading, the problem would have been solved. not so much. >> flabbergasted. i looked at him, you can't be serious. i've just never seen anything like it. >> so when you
that in the house now boehner has no control over his extreme right wing faction. >>> want to bring in david nakamara and meredith shiner. david, i'll start with you. you know, the president coming back for appearance sake as some might say or, you know, when we look at what he can do tomorrow what might he have in the works here? >> richard, i think to get a look at that, look at friday scaling down the proposal. he said i want a big deal ultimately but before the new year we don't have time and probably going to work with senate -- the senate to sort of come up with a possibly smaller stop gap deal. he wants the tax breaks for those under $250,000 and maybe temporary measures to delay the spending cuts or a stop gap measure to buy time after the new year. >> in addition, as a part of that smaller deal you talk about, david, to you here, meredith, there will be extension of unemployment insurance, perhaps also putting off the automatic cuts and as david was noting, extending the tax cuts for incomes up to $250,000. some folks are asking, though, meredith, is this the best they can hope for?
farther right running against them in primary, that john boehner's plan last week. we don't know how much has changed since last week. but president obama sounded like he was saying something that he had been planning to say all along. >> it's almost like the white house is stepping out. i think we have some sound from mitch mcconnell talking about the next steps. let's see if we can run that out. >> we had a good meeting at the white house. we are engaged in discussions, if majority leader, myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation. that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> i'm going to do everything that i can, i'm confident senator mcconnell will do the same. but everybody, this is -- whatever we come up with, this is going to be imperfect. and some people aren't going to like it. some people will like it less. but that's where we are. and i feel confident that we have an obligation to do the best we can and that was made very clear in the white house. we're going to do the
the last time i saw john boehner even crack a grin. [♪ theme music ♪] >> jennifer: 24 hours after congress finally did something, the right-wing is up in arms! the reports headline was republican horror new year. scary stuff. and it only got spookier from there as republicans turned on their own. >> republicans caved last night. >> they waited 20 years before giving themselves away. >> i would be. >> seriously, could the republican party have mismanaged this any worse. >> i think the president did a great job of getting the speaker to undo everything that he promised he would do. >> after midnight and all of that partying and rivalry that goes on at new year's eve, what i can tell you is they did half a bill. >> jennifer: not just the folks on the right who are whining and complaining, there are some on the left who are almost giving the tea party for dogmattic money. paul krugman wrote . . . >> jennifer: okay. i love paul krugman but on this one i have to strongly disagree. let's take a look at what progressives actually got. first democrats got tax increases for the we
you don't want to be is john boehner. he's under fire from both democrats and republicans for not helping victims of sandy. >>> plus secretary of state hillary clinton is expected to make a full recovery after suffering a blood clot near her brain. so much for her critics on the far right who suggested she was faking being sick to avoid testifying about benghazi. >>> and let me finish with the reason it's hard to avoid a fiscal cliff. we begin with whether anyone really won in the fiscal cliff standoff. howard fineman is the director for the "huffington post" media group, steven walsh with the wall street journal. let's look at who came out the winner on this fight. on the right there's some significant disagreement. here's what bill kristol wrote just before the house vote. quote, politically republicans are escaping with a better outcome than they might have expected. and president obama has gotten relatively little at his moment of greatest strength. then there's conservative commentator charles krauthammer. >> in the house who hate the bill and for good reason. i mean,
if they work out a deal that's acceptable to the senate, then it's going to go to the house. speaker boehner has said they'll either vote on what the senate produces or amend it. that's a lot of work to get done within a day. and i think there are a number of house republicans still holding out, believing that they would rather vote to cut taxes after january 1st than vote for a deal now. >> so there's physically no time. >> i think it's very tough. >> well, but what dan's also saying is that just because the senate reaches a deal, even with the administration, there's no guarantee there are republican votes in the house to do it. >> yeah. we've seen that problem throughout the past few weeks. >> yeah. >> meanwhile, democrats say the biggest setback came earlier in the day when senator mcconnell proposed changes to social security benefits. in an exclusive interview on "meet the press," president obama said he had been willing to compromise to that issue as part of a larger deal. >> one of the proposals we made was something called chain cpi, which sounds real technical, but basically makes
john boehner has had permanent damage done to him by the failure to pass plan b, the way he was ultimately kind of on the sidelines of the negotiations. winners, two, joe biden and mitch mcconnell, proving as they did with the debt ceiling and in 2010 with the bush tax cuts, they know how to get things done. >> luke, let's talk first about the breakdown of the vote. in the house vote last night, only 85 republicans voted for this deal. the speaker, as you pointed out last night, showed some guts in actually voting for it. >> speakers ordinarily don't necessarily vote. sometimes they vote on big bills, but especially with this big vote where he knew cantor and mccarthy were going to vote against it. he made a decision he should be on the yes side of this, for whatever reason, for conversations i've had, look, he wanted to be out in front to tell his republican colleagues this is the best deal they could get in this situation and wanted to put the tax issue to bed finally and felt his support was much needed to be shown, especially after what mitch mcconnell did in the senate
is a lever to try to get the senate to put something on the floor, and speaker boehner has been very clear it's the senate's turn to act. senate dems aren't taking that bait. they feel like they'll put something on the floor. if they don't have republican consent for it, they will have to pull it or see it go down in flames, and then republicans can point to their failure and say, hey, look, they failed, too. so democrats are wary of kind of falling into this trap that republicans they feel are trying to set for them, and so there's this kind of staring contest up here where everybody is looking at everybody and it's like watching a slow motion car crash. >> using that metaphor of a staring contest, can you see anybody blinking? everybody thought -- i guess they thought first of all that boehner would blink and he'd take on his tea party and say i only want 50 or 75 votes. i don't need you crazy people. i just need a few normal people, and we'll get 150 democrats, and we'll pass something. he didn't blink and do that. is there any chance he will before monday? >> i think there's a chance if h
in primary, that john boehner's plan last week. we don't know how much has changed since last week. but president obama sounded like he was saying something that he had been planning to say a all along. >> take a listen to the president's tone and tell me if you think somebody has changed. >> ordinary folks. they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and they discuss things and then things happen. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them. >> joy, is this is same kind of negotiator we saw in the first term? >> i'll tell you, richard. one of the things you notice that the president didn't do was offer any new plan. i think he's laying this debacle squarely at the feet of congress. and the president, i think, helped himself by previously making some offers that even his base was uncomfortable with. it's clear to everyone watching that he's been reasonable to try to make offers. i think he's expressing plopperly the frustration of the american people. >> it's almo
it passed through the chamber and send it to the house. house speaker boehner made it clear he had not move first. he wants to see the senate act. the ball is now in the senate's court for all intents and purposes. >> sam, isn't it a bit late in the day to be playing this game of chick snn. >> i don't know what constitutes late in the day at this juncture. i guess we have a few more days, a couple more hours here. i think there's a general consensus we probably will hit the cliff, but that doesn't mean they can't hurry and get something done a day after, two days after, do it retroactively. the hit that would be felt by families would be minimum in that case. a lot of negotiations. we'll see what mcconnell and reid can pick up and forge together. >> nbc news has been reporting that the president's holding firm to this position of not cutting taxes for people earning more than $250,000 a year. you've been talking to republicans all day. will republicans vote for a plan that looks like the president's first offer, $250,000? >> republican senators specifically were really looking for a $400,00
, the senate is working against the clock, and speaker boehner, yeah, he's m.i.a. >> no new negotiations are scheduled. >> congress has five days to strike a deal before the end of the year deadline. >> they're calling it the fiscal cliff. [ speaking foreign language ] >> john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> let's take the american people out of the line of fire in terms of taxes. >> it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. >> i have never known john boehner not to have a plan. >> it seems pretty dark right now. >> it looks like there's no way there's going to be any deal done. >> so i say to the speaker, take the escape hatch we've left you. >> we're not going to get anything done that doesn't involve some measure of compromise. >> it's not 100% sure that's going to work any longer, and now that we know how fanatical the fanatics are. >> it's like blah, blah, blah. >>> a very busy day here in washington and we want to take you right to the senate floor where senator mitch mcconnell is act
within 48 hours. >> 85 republicans crossed the aisle to say yea. boehner turned a page in his statement saying, quote, now the focus turns to spending. the american people re-elected a republican majority in the house and we will use it to hold the president accountable for the balanced approach he promised. >> very rare a speaker and leader diverge. how much damage did the fiscal fight do to the speaker and the house and the senate? >> one thinks of the napoleon quote that you have don't interrupt the enemy when they're destroying themselves and you guys just waited around long enough and the republican party did that, didn't they, chris? >> a lot of republicans are faulting speaker boehner. they totally ignored him, they undercut him. >> you had an agreement last night. >> we have this totally dysfunctional senate and there are a dysfunctional congress and no wonder our back is up against the wall at midnight and we get some kind of -- this terrible deal that's thrown in our laps. >> so what was it like to be in the room when republicans voted on that deal? joining me now from capitol
with most members of congress still in their home district, speaker boehner put that ball in the senate's court. harry reid tossed it right back. are we looking at another lost day in the negotiations? hitching a right on air force one, the new senator from hawaii and it's not what we expected it to be. here we go again. the president in washington and another deadline. secretary geithner warns we will hit the debt ceiling even before we tumble over the fiscal cliff. good morning from washington. it is thursday, december 27th. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert. two days after christmas and washington is back to work trying to harsh out a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the senate will get back from the session after holiday break. the president is expected to arrive back to the white house without his family to get back to twork mework to meet the loo deadline. mike is at the white house. let's start with you. the consensus around the hill is that we are more likely than not to go over the fiscal cliff, but there is a small chance harry reid could take a house pass bill and
of senator boehner. tax rates increase for those over a million dollars. you are a guy that is well known as a conservative. in principle isn't that something you think hurts the economy? >> no question what the president wants to do is bad for the economy, sean. what concerns me is we are now three days away from a really bad law taking effect which is increasing tax rates on everybody, huge increases on capital gains, massive increase on dividends. this is destructive. i see my mission in part to try to absolutely minimize the damage. unfortunately, i don't have the ability to repeal that law and the democrats control two out of the three parts of the elect ared government. i will fight as hard as i can to minimize this damage. but i got to be honest with you, i mean we got a pretty tough hand to deal with here. and we can't just change that law by ourselves. >> sean: it seems to me senator johnson three things that maybe the president hasn't thought of. number one if the president goes over the fiscal cliff on his watch the optics are not very good for him. while he may think there is
? is it to finally strike a deal? honestly, no one knows. but one thing is certain. house speaker john boehner and his fellow republicans could no longer weather the incredibly bad optics of sitting at home while the president of the united states and the senate were in washington. president obama arrived back at the white house this morning. the president will host a meeting tomorrow afternoon with senate majority leader reid, senate minority leader mcconnell, speaker boehner, and leader pelosi at the white house. senate majority leader harry reid took to the senate floor this morning to, shall we say, let boehner have it. >> if we go over the cliff, and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak, with four days left after today before the first of the year aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll have -- they'll give them 48 hours' notice. the american people i don't think understand the house of representatives is operating without the house of representatives. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker, not allo
two hours away from speaker boehner reconvening that chamber to do what? we still don't know. maybe they'll vote. maybe they'll debate. good morning. i'm mara schiavocampo. happy new year on a busy first day of 2013. well, most of us were celebrating into the wee hours of new year's eve while the senate was passing a deal to avoid the worst of the fiscal cliff hangover. the bill passed by a wide margin 89-8 setting up a showdown in the house which will convene at high noon on this new year's day. republican mitch mcconnell said the process wasn't pretty but got the job done. >> each of us could spend the rest of the week stusing what a perfect solution would have looked like but the end result would have been the largest tax increase in american history. it took an imperfect solution to prevent our constituents from a very real financial pain. in my view, it was worth the effort. >> nbc's luke russert is live on capitol hill. good morning. happy new year to you. >> good morning, mara. good to see you in the chair. >> thank you very much, sir. so the house republican conference meets
departure, the president called all four congressional leaders, reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. now fiery words after reid hit boehner with volley after volley from the senate floor earlier today. >> if we go over the cliff and it looks like that's where we're headed, mr. president, the house of representatives as we speak with four days after today aren't here with the speaker having told them they'll have 48-hours notice. i can't imagine their conscie e consciences. >> speaker boehner's office responding with a terse statement saying in part, quote, senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. senate democrats have not. joining me now from d.c. nbc news white house correspondent peter alexander. peter, there was word the last hour that the president may have sent some sort of deal. the white house then turning around saying that's not true at all. where was the confusion? >> reporter: well, you hear the frosty statements back and forth as you just indicated there, craig. ah, the holidays in washington. a
relationships. politico reports on an encounter between speaker boehner and harry reid in the white house lobby. go [ bleep ] yourself, boehner sniped, as he pointed his finger at reid, according to multiple sources present. speaker boehner refused to bring forward a bill funding emergency aid for victims of superstorm sandy. this is how republican peter king responded this morning. >> john boehner has been personally helpful over the years, so it pains me to say this, but the fact is, the dismissive attitude that was shown last night towards new york, new jersey, connecticut, typifies, i believe, a strain in the republican party. we cannot believe that this cruel knife in the back was delivered to our region. >> now, unfortunately, these leaders will still need to work together, and soon. with one deadline down last night, the president has already begun positioning himself for the next fight. >> we'll negotiate over many things. i will not have another debate with this congress over whether or not they should pay the bills that they've already racked up through the laws that they passed. let
behind closed doors with house speaker boehner, senate majority leader harry reid and senate minority leader mitch mcconnell talking about doing something to keep more than trillion dollars in tax increases and cuts from taking effect next week. also joining that party today, america's happy warrior. vice president joe biden will be there. while some appear ready to compromise others are still ducking, dodging, trying to dump the blame elsewhere. >> we all have our ideas and in the senate, you're right. we probably another 40, 50, 60 of saying that we're ready to both raise revenues and control entitlements. when's the missing ingredient? it is presidential leadership. >> i think in the end we'll get a deal. the question is the timing. >> am hopeful there will be a deal that avoids the worst parts of the fiscal cliff, namely taxes going up on middle class people. >> it's pretty apparent that we are not going to do what we've been called to do. this is 112th congress. we have had two years to deal with quote the fiscal cliff. >> let's bring in our man at the white house, peter alexande
was because of the deal -- >> john boehner. because of john boehner. >> partly, mitch mcconnell force ed john boehner's hand. >> we expect senators to do that. that's what republican -- republican senators have always spent us deeper into debt. that's what they do. that's their hobby. >> look, in this round, the president got a ton. and liberals who are complaining are most worried not about the terms of this deal but about whether the president's got a weak hand going into the next round. the president, as you pointed out, has said as recently as sunday with david gregory, we need to do medicare reform. we need to do entitlement reform. when we deal with the sequester cuts in two months, when we deal with raising the debt ceiling, even though the president wants to keep that out of the debate, republicans are going to have another chance with leaders like john boehner and paul ryan making the argument. and i think the president once again is going to have that k n confrontation. >> how many trillions do you think they'll add to the debt, mika? paul ryan -- i had the tenth amendment on a lit
for speaker boehner not to pass this. >> biden enjoying a casual lunch with the staff. strolling back to white house saying the physical deal is still on track. >> i think so. >> basically air force one is on standby to take them back to hawaii as soon as the house approves the senate plan. some house republicans say they will disrail it. >> if i was worried about a deal struck by president obama and the senate? no. >> democrats incyst it would be exercise in futility that could rattle world markets. >> mercifully, worst congress in history perhaps goes out of existence in two days. if they open this up on the floor and starting to amend, you know, we'll be swearing in the new congress while they are still acting out that drama. >> yet, conservative outrage over the deal is building. especially after the congressional budget office said legislation that was supposed to help cut the deficit will now add $3.6 trillion to the national debt over the next ten years. the architect of the senate deal minority leader mitch mcconnell notes it lacks in tax cut for large portion of the public. rattling i
their taxes go up. the news comes after a conference call that mr. boehner held with gop house members, telling them to return to washington this sunday. but just because they're coming back doesn't mean they're looking to play nice. today, senator harry reid blasted the speaker for refusing to even vote on a democratic plan that would protect 98% of americans. >> everyone knows that if they had brought up the house -- i'm sorry, the senate-passed bill that would give relief to everyone making less than $250,000 a year, it would pass overwhelmingly. it's being operated with a dictatorship of the speaker. >> a dictatorship of the speaker. and here's house speaker boehner office responded. senator reid should talk less and legislate more. legislate more? what legislation has speaker boehner been working on while on vacation? while we're about to go over the cliff, the gop has been pointing fingers at the president. one gop aide says talks have failed because "the president made a strategic miscalculation and overreached. he picked a fight." picked a fight? sorry, that's not going to fly.
operated with a dictator ship of the speaker. john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than keeping the nation on footing. >> john boehner's office fired back -- senator reid should talk less and legislate more. the house has already passed legislation to avoid the entire fiscal cliff. >>> the president gets set to land in washington this hour. there's new word that the president has called all four congressional leaders. reid, mcconnell, boehner and pelosi. . joining me to talk more, we have peter alexander standing by at the white house as well as nbc's mike viqueira on capitol hill. some verbal smackdown, basically flipping the lights back on and harry reid taking to the floor to eviscerate speaker boehner. >> the sad part is you often seen the floor opened that way. mitch mcconnell being later today. i'm sure we'll hear something later. to hear it two days after christmas and a matter of days before we go through the fiscal cliff, obviously not encouraging. harry reid says time is running hout. he doesn't know if they could go through the legislative hur
of the new year? if so, can speaker boehner come up with the votes to pass it? if not, what move might the speaker make knowing that time is running out? good morning. i'm mara schiavocampo on this first day of 2013. we've got a deal in the senate and now it's to the house. the republican conference will meet at 1:00 p.m. to strategize their way forward. the democrats in the house will meet at noon to figure out their move. nbc's luke russert joins us now live from capitol hill. he's following it all. luke, we understand that you've confirmed that a very special guest will be present when the democrats meet, when the house democrats meet. who is it going to be? >> that's right. for the first democratic caucus meeting of 2013 they'll hear from none other than vice president joe biden who will come here to capitol hill to brief them about the deal similar to what he did last night for his senate democratic faithful. he was really influential in helping get a lot of democrats to vote for the bill. it is expected he'll do the same thing today when he talks to his house democratic friends.
to this point? taking you back to last week, you remember john boehner tried to get that alternative bill through the house. his own bill. he didn't have the support to do it. it fell apart. now things are in the senate and it will be up to harry reid and mitch connell and the president to try to come to a compromise to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts that go into effect on the first of the year. president obama had been working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the average american by about $2,000 and could put us back into a recession. >> which nobody wants to see. kristen welker in hawaii. the president
in place. >> is john boehner sticking to the old rule, the denny hastert rule, that you need a majority to bring it up for a vote. if the majority is not there of the republicans who are the majority in the house, he is not going to bring it up for a vote, or are they discarding that give this current crisis? >> he's never been officially wedded to that majority of the majority idea. that has certainly been his goal in most if not all of the legislation that he's brought to the floor. this and a few others have tested that goal for sure, but look, this is something that republican speakers, hastert included, starting with hastert, have wanted to do to make sure they have the support with within, to make sure that there isn't any kind of revolt, there isn't a question of their leadership. even though it has not been an easy road for john boehner, and that has been an understatement, i have not detected any real sentiment in the rank and file to have anybody but john boehner as their leader. to be honest with you, based on what boehner has gone through, it is hard to see anyone wanting th
-controlled house and speaker john boehner. about two hours before the senate voted, the house leadership said it would take a wait-and-see approach. "decisions about whether the house will seek to accept or promptly amend the measure will not be made until house members and the american people have been able to review the legislation." with me now, "the washington post's" david machimura and steve toma, chief political correspondent for "mclatchy" newspapers. good morning. >> good morning. >> happy new year. >> happy new year. david, let's talk about what we're going to see in the house. obviously, if it passes, a lot of people will probably be voting yes while they're holding their nose, but could there also be a revolt from conservative members that could threaten this bill? >> i think, chris, you can never predict completely smooth passage, especially in the house, but i think the senate wouldn't feel this confident about the bill had there not been some discussion between the two chambers. and i think if you look back to a year ago when there was a fight over the payroll tax, a similar so
and house speaker john boehner have been kept in the loop throughout. important because once the senate deals with this, it would go to the house. now, what we do expect in talking to a number of democrats tonight, some have put on coats and scarves and were going to lay down for a little while, waiting for the word to come back. others still think a vote can happen tonight. but tonight might not be defined by the final hour of 2012, but instead whatever time in the wee hours that document can get ready and get to the senate floor. so many people who work in the capitol who are not directly involved, from those who operate the trains that get from building to building to staffers on the senate floor to keep things moving to security, so many people working waiting for this to be resolved. political arguments and disappointments within the democratic side as we expect there to be among republicans as well. no deal gets everything people want. there are come radio mizes for people. and this is a smaller deal than many hoped there would be. it gives a short-term period before they have to
and boehner are meeting to discuss the fiscal cliff. we are hearing the president's planning to present a smaller offer. for the latest, we bring in peter alexander from the white house and mike viqueira from capitol hill. peter, let's talk about what's going on at the white house meeting. i hear senators are optimistic about a mini deal which, of course, will raise taxes on those above $400,000. expand the amt, cut some spending. what are you hearing? >> reporter: well, hearing a lot of different things right now. one of the items and ruled by rumor and then denials and frustrations, toure. we know that we saw senators mcconnell and reid arriving a short time ago. we didn't pelosi and boehner arrive yet but the vice president joe biden got here a short time ago, as well. there's other reporting from the hill right now about the potential that the president is going to return to what was basically his original outlined plan. perhaps a smaller plan but a plan where the threshold would be set closer to $250,000 as he initially had before the $400,000 offer that john boehner the white hous
the details tonight. >> reporter: house speaker john boehner back in washington immediately heading to the white house for a late afternoon fiscal cliff meeting which brought the president and congressional leaders together for the first time since november, but it's unclear if it brought country any closer to avoiding the fiscal cliff. >> i'm modestly optimistic that an agreement can be achieved. nobody is going to get 100% of what they want, but let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy and, in fact, the world economy aren't adversely impacted because people can't do their jobs. >> reporter: the president called the meeting as lawmakers pointed fingers in this high stakes game of chicken. >> it's republicans who are holding hostage the middle class in america so that the wealthy don't have to pay their fair share. >> we need two words, presidential leadership on not just taxing rich people, we could tax all the rich people and cut their heads off and it wouldn't help the medicare fiscal cliff. >> reporter: with time running out hopes for a grand bargain
sense. so the bill passed, 257 for, 85 republicans, 172 democrats. speaker john boehner was one of those yes votes and he released this statement: now the focus turns to spending. the american people reelected a republican majority in the house and we will use it in 2013 to hold the president accountable for the balanced approach he promised, meaning significant spend being cut and reforms to the entitlement programs that are driving our country deeper and deeper into debt. on wall street, the dow up well over 200 points. could be a record rally for the first day of the year. let me bring in our guests. good morning and happy new year. >> happy new year, chris. >> let's take a look at what they actually agreed to. taxes are going to go up on households over $450,000. they delay the sequester. of course those are the harsh cuts for a couple of months. it extends unemployment benefits, it includes the medicare doc fix. any winners, though, really do you think, lynn? >> i think winner is all of us who live with a paycheck because we -- most people who don't make $400,000 will not have thei
negotiations and john boehner and senate leader are working on a deal this morning to avoid the fiscal cliff, or as chris hayes and i call it, the fiscal curve. the deadline is soft. it's not like every american is going to be handed a bill on january 1st and there's way to manage the damage if the country goes over. the senate is set to convene this afternoon with the house to follow tonight. there's a chance that a compromise will be reached, less than 48 hours before tax rates revert to their clinton dasher are levels and board across the board spending cuts talk effect. when the president took to the podium friday afternoon to urge the law enforcements to get their act together with he didn't exactly project confidence. >> this is deja vu all over again. america wonders why it is that in this town for some reason, you can't get stuff done in an organized timetable. why everything always has to wait until the last minute. we're now at the last minute. and the american people are not going to have any patience for a politically self-inflicted wound to our economy. >> this may be why the pr
boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership. >> it is very hard for them to say yes to me. take me out of it. and think about their voters. >> he can be responsible for the largest tax increase in american history. ♪ we could have had it all ♪ rolling in the deep >> we start at the white house where at this very moment all four republican and democratic congressional leaders are meeting with the president, the vice president, and the treasury secretary trying to hammer out a fiscal cliff deal. the meeting began about an hour ago in what could be the final face-to-face meeting between the president and lawmakers of both parties before monday's midnight deadline. the house is scheduled to reconvene on sunday evening to do what we don't exactly know. so joining us live from the white house is nbc's kristin welker. kristin, welcome. >> reporter: thanks, karen. good afternoon. >> so what are we hearing about this meeting? i know it's still going on. any news? >> reporter: well, we do know this, a source familiar with these talks says that president obama is not going to be
through the senate and doesn't make john boehner look too bad in the house and there are a lot of conservatives in the house that don't want to do any type of deal that would raise taxes on anybody even though they'll go up on the entire country the first tax hike in 20 years after monday night. >> and one would also assume that mitch mcconnell would have to back a grant, he could face a primary fight if this thing -- >> you touched on one of the great sub plots of these entire negotiations is personal things that boehner and mcconnell have in these negotiations. obviously, mcconnell doesn't want to have someone on the right come after him because he was in favor of a tax hike and john boehner's re-election as speaker of the house. and that would come across as a vote of no confidence. very embarrassing and they don't expect it happening and there's a lot at stake for mitch mcconnell and john boehner personally. great point you brought up. >> if the senate fails to come up with something, does the president have the votes? >> reporter: if harry reid got this through the senate,
criticism about the president's tone today on "meet the press." this is what john boehner had to say, blaming the failure of a deal on the president. >> your response? >> well, that's very interesting, chris, because speaker boehner has refused to even hold a vote in the house of representatives on the president's proposal. we're not asking speaker boehner to endorse the president's proposal. we're not asking republicans to say they want to endoris the proposal. we're simply asking for a vote. we believe that republicans and democrats together could get a majority for the president's proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff and deal with the deficit in a balanced way. in fact, as we know, republicans like tom cole, a very conservative member from oklahoma, and others have said that that approach makes sense. and yet the speaker refuses to allow a vote on that proposal. and so allow democracy to work and so far unfortunately, speaker boehner has been held captive with the tea party wing of the republicans in the house, which voted down his own proposal just about a week ago, because he said
with boehner. he won't talk with the other republicans. he hasn't built the trust. >> so has the president and the democrats, do you think they have done enough to build trust on the other side? >> i think so. i have been here 30 years now. this republican conference in the house is more hard edged, more hard to bid than has been true almost all the time i have been here. there has been in a sense a radicalization in the republican conference here in the house and it makes it very difficult to negotiate. the president has been talking with the speaker. he made an offer. it was essentially rejected by the speaker. he then comes up with another alternative. it is turned down by the conference that he is supposed to lead. i think all of that has made this a more difficult proposition. i think the president, he has offered cuts in spending essentially it has been very difficult to deal with this republican majority now in the house. and what i am hopeful of in this very, very critical last 48 hours is that the senate will act, they will find common ground and i also hope that if that doesn't h
in 2012 voted aye. speaker boehner also voted i. mike emmanuel mentioned the chairman of the did he have it and debt commission to deal with this did he have it and debt came out with a detailed statement. i'd like to read it here. quote, the deal is a missed opportunity to do something big to reduce our long term fiscal problems but it small step forward in our efforts to reduce the federal deficit following on the one trillion dollar did he have it? spending. both steps advance efforts to put our fiscal house in order neither done, nor -- one nor combination of the two come close to solving problems and loaders must have the courage to reform our tax code and entitlement program such that we put it on a downward path as a percent of the economy. washington missed this magic moment to do something big, recuse the deficit, reform our tax code and fiscal entitlement programs we've known over a year this fiscal cliff is coming. washington politicians set it up. forcing them selfs to deal with our nation's lng term fiscal problems. after taking the country to the brink of economic disaster,
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